*** UPDATE 3 ***
A documentary on Yelp called “Billion Dollar Bully” by Kaylie Milliken of Prost Films was just released (currently on Amazon Video, iTunes, and DVD). I was honored to be interviewed to provide my analysis and assessment of Yelp’s paid advertising program for business owners. I am sure you can guess my recommendation…
*** UPDATE 2 ***
It’s hilarious (and by hilarious I mean sad), to see that 7 of our legitimate reviews are hidden. Some of them were from the get-go but others just magically disappeared into the “not currently recommended” section despite having been allowed to show up on our profile for over a year… Since the last update when we had 3 hidden, we are up by four to now seven that are hidden. *tsk tsk*
And yet, the one bogus scathing review from a “Mindy” whom we never spoke with remains…
P.S. We did not sign up for their Yelp paid advertising non-sense (see previous update below). Hmm, interesting eh?
*** UPDATE ***
So my Growth Hacking agency currently have an unpaid Yelp listing so we can help control the online information about us – we’ve had it for some time and recently, an Yelp representative reached out to us via email.
As you can see… it reeked of carrot-dangling vague generalities salesmanship. For example, “$1200 of Extra Free Yelp Ads” which is meaningless because we have no idea what that $1200 actually does and what those Ads are (reading the Main Post below you can see how misleading this is).
And before that he weakly attempted to build rapport by saying that he “previously gone to school and lived in Los Angeles” and as such… knows the “business climate like the back of [his] hand.”
I personally have no idea how going to school and LIVING in Los Angeles would have any bearing on how well you know the business climate. I mean, by that logic, any elementary schooler in the L.A. area would also know the business climate!
And he ended his email with the “assume the sale” tactic by giving me an option between tomorrow or Wednesday (taking away the option to say “NO”).
My response was terse.
“Hi, What is this about? We already have a Yelp listing.“
And you can see below in his response… he just intensified his salesmanship.
He again blew a lot of smoke about a bunch of nothing… “lot of opportunity,” “promotion of $1200 of Extra Free Yelp Ads” (which still explains nothing), “gain exposure,” etc.
Blah blah blah.
And he tried the same “assume the sale” close at the end to get me locked down for a call.
I think he was hoping I’d get swayed by the $1200… little did he know that I knew exactly how absolutely meaningless that $1200 meant in this context.
So I told him straight up,
“Go ahead and send me some info so I can decide if it’s something worth us hopping on a call, I’d hate to waste your time or mine.“
And several days later, he came back like a dog on a bone…
So the dance continued.
I mirrored his email style and shot back the following response (see if you can pick up the similarities between our two emails)…
And this is about the time he called quits because a few days later, he responds with “I will no longer be your point of contact over here at Yelp. You will receive a new rep soon. In the meantime, you can call 877-767-9357 if you have questions. Have a great night.”
In the same email, he sends over some nonsense generic Yelp Ads Video and Yelp Advertising information which are nonsense fluff not geared lacking transparency – I want to know the CPC, where my ads will show, how much (quality) impression I can expect, who will be viewing my ads, demographics, etc. But nope… none of that. And unfortunately, this sales rep wasn’t able to help.
With that said… it’s been almost a month and no one else at Yelp has contacted us so maybe they gave up? *shrugs*
All I wanted was to get something in writing so I can hold them accountable but they shied away from accountability.
On a separate note… we had three 5-star reviews removed from our listing.
Now… I can understand Yelp removing the top two reviews – they are from no-face reviewers whose sole review are the ones left for us. But removing Bree G. (3rd review) when there’s a legitimate image, location, 114 friends, AND 6 reviews?? That made no sense.
And of course trust Yelp to leave a 1-star review on our listing by a angry resentful person who was NEVER a customer and even resorted to name calling in his review.
*sigh*
Way to go Yelp.
*** MAIN POST ***
Maybe you know and maybe you don’t… but Yelp (a local search and reviews online service) offers paid advertising for businesses called the “Yelp Sponsorship Program“.
To sum it up, according to the page advertising this opportunity, this Yelp Sponsorship program allows you to:
- Put up a slideshow of the images of your business.
- Highlight a user’s review that you like the most (as the business owner)
- Promote your business as a sponsored search result and on your competitors’ business pages. Target potential clients while they are making decisions about where to spend their money on a business like yours
It sounds all fancy spansy right? Sounds like you get even MORE control over your business listing which will help “put your best foot forward” and sneak attack your competitors, stealing all their would be clients.
But Stop the Music, Do These Yelp Advertising Features Actually Accomplish Anything? Or are They Just Fluff Designed to Lure You in so They can Zap You?
Suck Them in & Then ZAP Them!
Before we proceed, I’d like to first state that my experience and knowledge of this Yelp Sponsorship program comes from dealing with them on behalf of one of my clients. This client signed up with Yelp (despite my warnings – apparently Yelp’s salesman are SMOOOTH) and I got to learn all about this program.
Having said that, that’s only ONE experience which doesn’t make me an expert but it certainly makes me more knowledgeable of this Yelp marketing program than those who’s never experienced it.
Furthermore, in case you are not familiar with how Yelp works, anybody can post a business on Yelp, as long as it falls under one of their categories and is a “fit” per their policies. And the rightful owner can claim that Yelp page by jumping through some hoops and voila, you have a FREE listing about your business.
And for comparison’s sake, here’s an example of a PAID Yelp review page:
With that said… let’s examine feature #1.
The “Slide-Show”
Now, granted the larger images and the “slideshow” adds a bit more snazziness to the page but honestly, how big of a difference does it really make? If you wanted to see pictures, wouldn’t you be inclined to go visit the business’ actual website?
I’d love to see some split test on this…
Favorite Review
As far as feature #2, I suppose this is a good thing, like Yelp for Business Owners says, “put your best foot forward”. But then they go and shoot themselves in the foot by posting the “Rating Distribution” graph next to it. This graph, as you can see, shows all the reviews, INCLUDING the negative ones.
As humans, we are so inclined to ask “what’s wrong” that I reckon most wouldn’t take the “favorite reviews” at face value; they’d go and seek the worst reviews to find out why those folks gave bad reviews.
Yelp’s Business Owner’s Sponsorship Program feature #3 is my favorite.
Yelp Advertising… on Others’ Pages
So the idea here is similar to Google AdWords, when someone searches for a term related to your business, your listing shows up (as, “Sponsored Result”) with the hopes that your business gets clicked on.
Here’s the caveat though, Yelp is charging you per impression basis instead of per click basis. What this means is that whenever your listing shows up in this manner, it counts against your total allotted amount that you paid of (so you are paying “cost per impression”). If it were click based (cost per click) you would get charged ONLY if your ad gets clicked.
This brings into a few questions, the least of which are:
- So how much is it per impression?
- How many impressions can you expect to get (this is of course dependent on the search volume) – bear in mind that this is a LOCAL search and review online system. Which means that you are really throttling the number of impressions your ads will show up because the number of LOCAL folks doing searches related to you business within your area is a tiny tiny fraction of the searches done nationally combined.
- Are you able to test different the keywords with which your listing shows up (which is costing you money)?
- Are you able to TRACK the results you are getting on fine details? I.e. what keywords are converting, when is the best time to show your Yelp sponsored listing, etc. Basically, questions that any savvy AdWords expert would ask.
- How much control do you have over this campaign? After all, you ARE paying for it.
Before I Go On, Let’s Talk About Leakage
What is “leakage“? Well, in digital marketing term, it means actions taken by your website visitor that doesn’t contribute to your ultimate goal (such as capturing the lead, making the sale, etc.) This often includes having active links which serve as distractions that take the visitor ELSEWHERE.
Now… take a good look at just about any Yelp review page, do you see leakage? Do you see links everywhere? But more importantly (and relevantly from a marketing perspective), do you see the box that says, “People Who Viewed This Also Viewed…”? Do you see how these links tend to be links to direct competition to the business review page you are viewing?
Yelp.com Pay Per Impression is a Friggin’ Joke (& Rip Off You Can Argue)
Okay, so going back to the sample list of questions listed earlier on. Let’s dig deeper and find out exactly what sort of program Yelp is running (and charging you for).
First of all, here’s the cost for Yelp’s advertising program:
$300/mo – promotes you to 1,500 people in your area looking for a business like yours.
$500/mo – promotes you to 4,000 people in your area looking for a business like yours.
$1000/mo – promotes you to 10,000 people in your area looking for a business like yours.
So you are looking at $100 CPM (cost per thousand impressions) to $200 CPM to advertise on their network. In the AdWords world, this is ridiculously high for paying CPM unless you are in some highly competitive and profitable business like real estate and 401k portfolios (oh wait… given the crash of the economy, DOH!). Even then you are pushing it a bit. Folks who are paying high CPM on the pay per click networks have thoroughly tested their campaigns, have tracked EVERY single detail, and have all the control in the world.
But on Yelp? Hellllll no! You don’t know what your “campaign” looks like let alone have any control over it. You are like a blind mouse and they are the big bad kitty toying with you. And yet, they are still charging you an arm and a leg. And one quick look around Yelp will tell you that most businesses are NOT high-price markets, they are mostly smaller markets like restaurants.
This brings me to my second point of frustration when dealing with these Yelp folks, where’s the proof of these impressions people paid for??? Where are my listings showing up? And what’s the conversion rate?? Again, they tell you nothing and keep you blind.
YUCK.
Sales Team Who Doesn’t Know Jack and Preys on Toy Mice
Okay, so I had the opportunity to speak to a Yelp representative on the phone on my client’s behalf. Armed with my knowledge of AdWords, marketing, the works… I came prepared. Sadly for the person on the other line, that’s more than I can say for her.
I asked about all the things I mentioned before (about click through rates versus impressions, how I can track my campaign, how much control I have, etc.) and she was STUMPED. She couldn’t understand why we would care about such matters. As a matter of fact, I’d venture so far as to say she didn’t know JACK about marketing, and yet, she’s representing a team that’s suppose to help us market.
But what REALLY got to me was when I asked her about a 24 hour backout clause, which means that within 24 hours of the start of the campaign, if I am not satisfied with the results I am seeing, I can cancel. Nope she said… and the reason is because it takes time for the program to ramp up for me to really start seeing results.
EHHH? It’s the internet we are talking about here right? I can track clicks fairly easily right? Hmmm… okay.
So then I went on and asked what is the minimum sign up period, to which she replied, “6 months”.
OMGWTFBBQ, 6 month minimum at $325 a month where you have NO IDEA what’s going on? Thanks but no thanks.
The Proof is in the Pudding – Proof that Yelp Sucked
Against my better judgment, my client went for it anyway, and looking at the chain of emails he received from Yelp along with how their program is setup, I can sympathize why.
See, Yelp is banking on folks NOT knowing the difference between “impressions” and “clicks”. They are banking on the fact that businesses will confuse “impressions” with “visitors” – as in, “For $300 a month I can get 1,500 NEW customers every month? SWEET, sign me up!” They are banking on folks not knowing how to track their progress and not caring to either. They are banking on being able to just sweet talk their would be victim on the phone and dazzle them with fluff.
And worse yet, without the clients being able to track the campaign, Yelp is able to get folks to resign, again and again, by giving out meaningless stats.
To give you a perspective of just how much SUCKINESS is in this program, with the aid of Google Analytics and my idea of adding a page that leads people to a printable in-store coupon, we were able to see how the program performed. Here are the stats, in 2 months time, Yelp drove 64 unique visitors to this special landing page (which again helps us track the comers from our Yelp advertising campaign) and of those 64 visitors, we got 9 customers that we can tell.
This meant 32/1,500 = 2% conversion from visitor to Yelp to the website and 0.3% from impression to actual customer. Put it another way, my client paid $72.22 for each of those clients – clients who are just diners to his restaurant.
NOTE: We are not even sure if these visits and visitors are a direct result of my client PAYING for this Yelp advertising program, read below to see what I mean.
Ouch.
Look, You Don’t Need to Pay for Yelp, Nor Do You Want To
Don’t get me wrong, Yelp.com is awesome, I use it all the time to get the low down on new restaurants, find a plumber, etc. But you don’t need to pay to use it! Business owners can get free Yelp review pages and those rank (from a search engine optimization perspective) just as well as the paid for pages.
This means you’ll get traffic regardless!
Hope this was enlightening for you. Like I said earlier on, I’ve had only one experience with Yelp and boy was it a horrible one. I’d love to hear some success stories and some proof that it worked.
Until then, don’t pay Yelp a dime to join in on their “Yelp for Business Owners” program, especially if you are a restaurant owner.
Raymond Fong
If you are looking for real trackable result, I’d like to recommend you take a look at our gowth hacking agency. We help businesses (both startups and traditional businesses) gain more exposure, get more leads, obtain more customers, and ultimately add to their bottom line leveraging the internet.
P.S. You might be interested in this post I wrote as well, “Yelp Strikes Again…“
P.P.S. You might enjoy my book on growth hacking, “Growth Hacking: Silicon Valley’s Best Kept Secret”, because it’ll help you grow your business.
Sorry to you all, I fought YELP for many years, as a small business owner, and after refusing to pay Yelp black mail, I and a few others established YELPSCAM ..thousands of businesses nation wide joined us. We tried to get help from government agencies, but never heard back from them, except acknoweging our complaint. YELP is killing small businesses nation wide, it’s pay the black mail or suffer bad reviews from people who NEVER visited your establishment…I felt everyone’s pain ..plus my own.
But, after being in business for thirty years. time and age caught up with me, i closed the business, and most recently shut down YELPSCAM. I guess the fight will have toi be carried on by others, we tried our best ..but in the end greed and money won the fight for now. Good luck to all, keep at YELP, they are a phoney business…a parasite …now that they have gone public, I’m sure fishface has gotten his $$$$ . Just like the Mofia and there protection racket, they got it eventually and so will Yelp…Bye all, and good luck in your fight.
We advertise on Google at $1.25 per click. We get lots of traffic on our web site. YELP’s rate are too high; we avoid YELP. Reviews are highly suspect. I also stay away from business with a 5-star review and a big advertising spread.
Kim, you are paying $28 a CLICK… not even a client. Do you know how much those same CLICKS would cost you on Google AdWords? Have you tried? Have you attempted other sources of advertising to get some comparison for cost?
My article IS within the scope and context of small businesses, businesses like restaurants. Most of these businesses CAN’T afford $28 a CLICK and their value per customer CANNOT justify that high of clicks.
To say that their value per customer make it impossible for them to sustain that high cost o advertising make them doesn’t mean they don’t “see the value in a pre-qualified lead.” They absolutely know the value of a pre-qualified lead (actually, they can do you better and tell you the value of an acquired CUSTOMER) and they can do the math and tell you that Yelp, the way it’s structured, is a LOSING proposition for them.
Anybody with half a brain such as yourself can see that at $70+ a pop for an acquired client CAN make sense for some… assuming their average value per customer is greater than $70.
But that same person with half a brain can and should also know that Yelp is not the ONLY possibility out there for small businesses and certainly not the cheapest.
Does it have a place in the online advertising space? Yes, for businesses such as yourself where the value per customer is high.
But is it a viable option for small restaurants? NO – because it is way too costly and difficult to track.
And here’s where the problem lies… Yelp is actively pursuing these small time restaurants and trying to sell their services like it’s actually going to be good/work or them.
And as you can see from the long list of comments associated with this article, WAY too many have been burned.
The folks who actually are proud and happy with $28 a CLICK are few and far in between when looking at the types of businesses that are on Yelp.
What a short sighted write up this is, my business has been advertising with yelp for a year now and for the $4200 that I have spent with them I have received 149 clicks, just over $28 per click, expensive!
But if your know so little about advertising that you don’t see the value in a pre-qualified lead then frankly you shouldn’t be giving advise online.
I would wager that yelp is probably the largest supplier of business for most small sized companies that exist in the US today and as much as I hate the way they conduct themselves on occasion I would never advise anyone away from them.
If you were a little wiser then you would realize not only that you can strike deals with yelp to get you advertising a little cheaper but also that the more you invest in them the more they return.
Also the additional customers that are generated from your extra web presence and word of mouth from your quality customers is insurmountable.
Lu, reviews are only removed if they violate the terms of service, they will be placed in the filtered section if they do not line up with your current trend, the filter is not perfect but at least it helps weed out the bogus folks
Kim
I wish I had read this before I tried Yelp PPC. We had been a NON paying customer for years. The Calls for us to join the Paying group ended 2 years ago FINALLY.
Last week we needed to jump back into the PPC world due to a Major oops with our site that had us disappear from the net and all search results. ( make sure when you update WordPress sites that your homepage does not default to DO NOT INDEX)
Well The SECOND we put our payment information into Yelp we were getting Charged for Clicks. Every day without Fail our budget was Maxxed out until we got our first charge on the account , we then cancelled the ads.
Total? 30 Clicks = 1 call for something we do not even do.
Funny thing? Our Views were HIGHER for the previous three month period FOR FREE!
And we got quality calls as well.
NN
I saw this in the classifieds recently, and think its a great idea. Here it is:
CLOSE YOUR YELP ACCOUNT AND RECEIVE A FREE MEAL ON US
We are a group of restauranteurs, concerned citizens and former yelpers who disagree with yelp’s business practices.
We ask that you:
1- remove all your 1 and 2 star reviews that you have written for other businesses (your 3, 4, and 5 star reviews can remain in place )
2- close your yelp account after you have deleted your 1 and 2star reviews.
*** In order to qualify, you must have written at least 25 or more reviews before 11/1/2012.
If you are interested, please reply to this ad and send us a link to your yelp profile.
**if you’d like to learn about yelp’s business practices and why we disagree with them, you can :
1- google “yelp extortion”
2- watch this video :
http://www.wgntv.com/videogallery/73383363/News/Local-Business-cry-help-after-Yelp-reviews
3- read what some yelpers themselves are complaining about, right on the yelp website itself:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/yelp-san-francisco
4- read this article:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/restaurants-decry-yelp-extortion/
5- and this article :
http://m.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/yelp-extortion-allegations-stack-up/Content?gpt=1&oid=1176984
PETITION AGAINST YELP!!! Please read and consider signing!!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/867/995/092/stop-yelp-from-unfairly-destroying-small-businesses/?fb_action_ids=4805054766850&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582
Dear Ray,
We had really nice reviews on yelp, then my partner received a call from a yelp salesman, the very next day we noticed that ALL of the good reviews were gone and only bad ones remained. We went from 4 star to 1 star ! I am not an activist but I am sure hoping a class action law suite starts pretty soon here. We’ve been in business for 10 years, we offer good products and service, you would never know by reading yelp. People who pay attention to yelp end up missing out on good stores and services.
I wish I had read this before signing up for Yelp ads.
Fortunately I only signed up for 3 months.
My experience so far.
1. Contract is for 1500 impressions per month. Yelp only delivered 74 in the first month. I’ve written to them several times to see what they are going to do to meet their contract obligation. The answer? Nothing.
2. ROI on this is about 0.3, by far the worst of any advertising campaign that I have undertaken.
I said the same thing Shadi said on my profile, almost down to the letter, regarding a negative review. wow.
Why don’t we organize demonstration to bring a better attention to this? People overseas put their lives on line to pull dictators down, what is wrong with us! Have you seen Yelp page on Yelp? There is picture of of “Yelp Rules” written in the sands expressing the mind set of these people, meaning they know they are destroying lives and businesses and they are proud of it!!
I have a good record of all my clients for a bout three years now and proof that the positive reviews were from real people, but Yelp has removed about 3/4 of them while the less than 1/4 of the posted reviews remains on my listing, about 1/3 of them are negative from those never used me, I don’t know them, and they either admit they don’t they never used us, or the review is so obviously false! Yet the negative reviews are in touched!
On 9/7/12 a salesperson called me to sell advertising, and of course I refused, so on 9/12/12 another one star review showed up. Two days after on 9/14/12 a client posted a 5 star review, but that one was removed/filtered before I get a chance to see it. Both of theses reviews were the first review of the reviewer, but I have proof that the positive one was a real client, and the negative one does not even mention any real experience, and never contacted us!
Interestingly, I emailed myself the phone number and a summery of the conversation I had with this Yelp’s representative on the same day she called, because I knew what would be coming, another one star review from no one!
Yes, I have a good record of my positive reviews being removed right after it’s been posted (before and after), as well as the negative reviews that never been touched. I have all the emails with yelp too. I think oyu all must visit your page and record the changes, copy/past, screen shots, videos. Open an email account just for that so you have everything in one place and recorded.
I don’t understand why no one in congress and government, media even courts take this matter so lightly? I care about freedom of speech as much as they do, if not more, but what about freedom of speech rights of those who write positive reviews, why those are flushed?
Raymond, Thanks for the great analysis. I have a Jumper Rental business http://www.gojumper.com and I have been considering advertising with Yelp only because they contacted me and were very convincing. I had some concerns until I found your thoughts.
Thanks!
Greetings! I know this is kind of off topic but I was wondering if you knew where
I could find a captcha plugin for my comment form? I’m using the same blog platform as yours and I’m having difficulty finding one?
Thanks a lot!
Hi Ray,
This was a well written post. Thanks for the insight and updated information. Those of us in the SEM industry know this is not exactly “news”, but it is important to know that things have not changed since the last time I looked into Yelp about a year ago.
I am sure that a variety of people will have a variety of experiences with Yelp; some good, and some bad. But what I find to be significant is that the people who have had a poor experience are all telling the same story. It is not just some disgruntled business owner or miffed marketer, these are all different types of business that all had the same high pressure phone conversations, manipulated reviews, and lack of measurable data.
And lets be clear, it is the lack of measurable data that is the most troublesome.
One person here mentioned that if the ROI is good enough, why not just pay the blood money. I can see the point there, $325 a month to make $3000 is worth it, no matter what ribbon you tie around it. The problem is…people cannot substantiate if they are making $3000 a month.
Which brings me to the other consistency I notice. The people who say they have been doing great with Yelp are not providing any data to back up their claims. They offer fervent “verbal” endorsements, which is nice, but in the end there is no evidence that those people know how to measure a PPC campaign. Maybe they just think that since business is doing well, and people say they saw them on Yelp, that Yelp is actually giving them what they are paying for.
Because the issue here is not whether Yelp is good for business. It’s not whether Yelp is sending customers. What really matters to me is this…
Is yelp serving the number of impressions I am paying for and providing me with accurate data to measure ROI ?
Hey, I am thrilled if anyone has tons of conversions…just show me the analytics report that display how many impressions, how many clicks, and how many unique visitors from traveled from the Yelp page to the landing page.
Just my two cents.
We started a plumbing company a year and a half ago, and after 7 months we signed on with Yelp advertising, with a one-month trial period. Clicks to our Yelp page doubled in that month, and tripled two months later. Now, after seven months of advertising, we have four times as many “clicks” on our ad, and more business than we can handle. And guess where almost all of our customers come from? If you said Yelp, you’re right. Of course, it might not be as effective for all types of businesses, but for ours it worked.